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Warning ... Galvanized Steel

I want you guys to think twice before you decide to build an aviary.

We did a lot of research and looked at a lot of options before deciding what to build and how.

Everything I had read said glavanized steel was "ok" w/ building, even spoke to several people who used it w/ no difficulty.

However, the major difference is whether the steel was galvanized "before" the chain link was put together or "after". You can tell this by whether or not the chain link has any "knots" or "lumps" on the metal, specifically in the grooves of the link. No one EVER mentioned this in any of the research we did, or people we talked to. Maybe they didn't know, I don't know.

A major difference b/w galvanized steel and non-galvanized steel is the finish ... galvanized steel has a "dull" finish, the other is shiny. But that doesn't make it safe.

Anyway, the dog kennel we put together for about $100 the steel was galvanized "before" it was linked, the roof link was not. Woody is at the vet w/ zinc poisining as of Thursday, with 4 little pieces of metal in his belly. Woody is not a "chewer" and doesn't pick at things like some birds. When the birds are out, we are out with them. It is our understanding that depending on the way the bird uses his beak to manuever around, just simply climbing on the fence can cause little pieces to flake or scratch off that they can accidently injest. Woody will be okay, but shots 2x per day, being handfed 2x per day and forced fluides 2x per day I am sure is not his idea of fun. I feel bad and wish there was more information that would have mentioned differences. Maybe there was & we just didn't find it, I don't know. We tested both sets of the chain link and the top tests positive for zinc.

We are in the process of ordering some aviary netting to replace the roof.

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Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:01 am
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In order of safety it is :

1. SS
2. GAW (galvanized after welding)
3. PVC coated wire but it will have to be watched for UV damage (even though they say not) for it becomes brittle after time and can chip (becoming ingested and cutting or exposing the gal. finish).
3. GBW should never be considered.

I wish I had known you were not using SS for I would of told you about the GAW vs GBW. I have a link if you'd like SS wire. SS you will never need to replace or worry about. GAW you will and you will have to watch for any white corrosion and will need replacement over time.

If you use GAW wash it down w/ White Vinegar and a brush. Feed your birds apples more frequently for the pectin will help flush the zinc. Feed high calcium foods for calcium will help prevent absorption.

Sorry to hear about Woody.


Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:48 am
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Hi banned,

We are planning to build an outdooe aviary after I recover from my carpal tunnel and ulnar nerve surgurey in August. Could you please e-mail me the link on the SS wire, as I will need 10 gauge for Scooter the GWM.
His beak power is awe inspiting at the least!!
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:58 am
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banned wrote:
2. GAW (galvanized after welding)
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If you use GAW wash it down w/ White Vinegar and a brush. Feed your birds apples more frequently for the pectin will help flush the zinc. Feed high calcium foods for calcium will help prevent absorption.


This IS GAW ... I still have the label/panel.

The research we did said that the washing w/ the vinegar & brush wasn't confirmed to really help? Is there any confirmation that it really does? Our vet suggested it, but didn't confirm that it was gauranteed to help. What foods are high in calcium that are not dairy? Woody doesn't like apples :roll:

Edit: Depending on the costs of the custom made cover, we will be ordering SS chain link from a local distributer.

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Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:29 am
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I'm so sorry to hear about Woody but glad you realized what was going on in time!

I think we need to keep this topic up top for everyone to see so that this doesn't happen to others.

I'm going to make your post, along with guest information, a sticky, if you guys don't mind.

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That's scary!!! I hope he gets well soon!!!!

Would it be ok to cross post this to BirdBoard,as a lot of people are asking about aviaries and this would be helpful to them as well.

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My puter was sick earlier & just got better. I went out anyway to get some bird toys (they were my anniversary present :)).

It wasn't California Cage works.

I have read some conflicting information on the vinegar/scrubbing thing ... & our vet mentioned it, but didn't know "for sure" either.

Either way, it's gotta go for safety.

I do not mind the sticky Mona @ all. If it helps anyone else to avoid what we & Woody are experiencing, I'm all for it.

I don't mind the crosspost either for the same reason.

Incidently, I read somewhere that Heather used the same materials we did & didn't have any trouble. Woody has exceptionally sharp points on his lower mandible ... maybe it was just a freak thing. I don't know. I'm not going to take the chance again. I will let you guys know what we go w/ on the change & post some updated pics when we do. It will be real soon.

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Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:43 pm
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What a bummer for you and Woody - especially after you tried so hard to provide something wonderful for the birds. Hope he's feeling better soon!
Almonds are a good source of calcium. Also, broccoli, chickpeas, lentils, canned sardines, salmon, and other fish with bones also are good sources of calcium. You could also soak pellets in fortified orange juice.

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I hope your bird makes a full recovery with no long term side effects. When I build outdoor stuff, I use only fencing/materials that had been outside in the weather for at least two years. I have never had a problem.

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How is Woody doing?

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Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:04 pm
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Wood is doing good ... Thanks for asking Ronnie :)

He got to come home on Monday on antibiotics for infection (his white blood count was way high). He goes back tomorrow for a recheck and then we have to give him shots for 5 days ... then off 2 ... then shots again for 5.

He is his old wood bird self again :)

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Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:37 pm
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Oh bummer - shots! Is it Amikacin? I understand it stings. My poor bird didn't like those shots one bit, and neither did I. Good luck!


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Chelation treatments are a terrible thing to put a bird through... I hope he's doing much better. Already pretty much said, but I will reiterate that if people are to use galvanized steel, make sure the welds are smooth and done correctly and also definately make sure there are no weld balls or flakes that have been galvanized along with the rest of the material. Even if it is GAW, if there have been sloppy or incorrect welds, those small pieces will be galvanized also and look like nice little ingestible toys to the birds. We all know how appealing little bumps are to their curiosity. In regards to galvanized materials, quality is key. But of course, SS is ideal.

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I can't find my bill from the vet, but those 2 don't sound familiar. JavaOne knew what they were when we were talking about it in chat the other night. ?? I will post when I get home today.

He doesn't seem to mind the shots. It's a muscle shot in the chest wall w/ a really small needle. It takes about 5 secs and he will just stand there.

We have come to the conclusion that he wasn't chewing on the fence (it is a very smooth link) ... we are pretty sure it was the tie links that hold the wire on the fence. :-7

EDIT: The shots are CA EDTA (Calcium?) Syringe #12

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Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:09 am
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For those w/ smaller birds that would like to give your birds some outside time I found an aviary that "looks" pretty good and is a good price considering. It'll hold a larger bird also but they won't be able to actually fly like smaller birds can. (Comes in SS or PC also optional bottom grate and mess tray).

http://birdcages4less.com/page/B/PROD/A02/PA6000


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This post was over on the Too's forum. This wire is big bird safe, a little more than the galvanized but less than stainless steel. It's what we're going to do the outdoor aviary in.

OK... here's the information you'll need:

If you go to Lowe's, tell them that you want Aluminized Chain Link Fence Fabric made by the "Merchants Metals Company" of Texas. You can use product number 00404. Be aware that not ALL Lowe's have accounts with Merchants Metals, but you can Special Order it from those Lowe's nonetheless. If this IS the case... you may want to check your local fence supply because the cost MAY be cheaper than a special order from Lowe's.

If you DO order it from a fence supply or farm supply store... tell them that you want Aluminized
chain link fence fabric made by the Merchants Metals Company of Texas. They should know who MMC is (as they're one of the worlds largest) and so you shouldn't have a problem.

One last thing: I'm still guessing that a ballpark figure for 8 foot high by 50 feet long STANDARD chain link fence will cost "around" $300. This is subject to change weekly due to the high fluctuations of steel prices in our country right now. Also be aware that the smaller the holes in the fabric.. the more steel is used.. the more it costs.

FINALLY: Do NOT call Merchants Metals yourself. This company is STRICTLY wholesale to distributors
and will NOT deal with you as an individual whatsoever.

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